Posts by Indian Larry

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"We have truly seen Jehovah's hand" - the shocking side of Watchtower propaganda

by cedars in

as a special "thank you" gift to the watch tower society's team of lawyers for getting jwsurvey shut down yesterday, i have written a new article focussing on the experience of the nigeria plane crash from pages 29 and 30 of the 2013 yearbook.

the experience purports to be about the relief committee set up to assist a witness family whose home was destroyed by a deadly plane crash that claimed over 150 lives rather than the freak survival of the family because they obediently attended their meeting.. still, the reaction of witnesses on facebook unmistakably demonstrates that the real aim of the watchtower propaganda machine was mostly achieved in this article.

despite the fact that two witnesses were recently killed in a bus crash on their way to an assembly, apparently those who obey the bible's command to not forsake gathering together will experience "jehovah's hand" of protection.. here is the link.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-have-truly-seen-jehovahs-hand-the-shocking-side-of-watchtower-propaganda.

Indian Larry

One of the commenters on that page was Keisha Dj-Bubblelic Ious-Stith. She wrote on facebook about the plane wreck: " This is truly a lesson in obedience. This family clearly understood Jehovah’s instructions about not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together. This clearly served as a protection in more ways than just one!"

Interesting thing is she is a dee jay and here is one of her profile pix along with an ad for one of her events:

The first pic below looks like she is getting ready to give someone a lesson in obedience

Don't forget F'Him Girl Friday. It is right between ministry school Thursday and service Saturday.

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According to the "New Light" is there still a FDS "Class" ?

by Indian Larry in

according to the "new light" is there still a fds "class" or is it now just the faithful and discrete slave as the group of 8 men but no longer a class?.

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Indian Larry

According to the "New Light" is there still a FDS "Class" or is it now just the Faithful and discrete slave as the group of 8 men but no longer a class?

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Raymond Franz' books COC & ISOCF

by Fernando in

how would you summarise each of these books?.

which would you recommend to a jw to read first?.

Indian Larry

Both of these books are very powerful. I was raised a JW and when I read COC it totally rocked my world. I had associated the org so closely with God that when this book exposed the org for what it is I lost faith in God as well. It was only after listening to some Christian apologists like Ravi Zaccaharius, William Lane Craig and others that I even had the energy to care enough to read ISOF.

To me ISOF is the primary book to read. Rays writing style if excellent. He does not really run others down so much as just show what the bible says. Of course that does not matter if you don't believe in God, but I have regained that belief and that book helped.

That is not to say that I don't struggle at times with belief, especially after things like the school shootings and that poor indian girl that was gang raped and killed. However, I just can't find it in myself to believe that we evolved from nothing. It just doesnt feel right.

Anyway, I am getting off the subject. Read ISOF it is a life changing book.

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Some funny/curious quotes from the 2013 Yearbook (part 1)

by cedars in

i just thought i'd amuse myself by seeing what madness awaits in the new 2013 yearbook.. you might like to read some of the gems i've uncovered.... .

"true christians are soon to cross into the promised new world, so they need to be courageous and strong.

how soon are we talking about?

Indian Larry

Breakfast of Champions - True dat, dey learnt all dat good thinkin and fine english from the teokratic ministry skool. Dats why i expire i'll neva stp attendin meetins

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How old are you?

by sooner7nc in

jw
friends

post your age...only if you want to.

do it anyway.. i'm 42..

Indian Larry

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What's The Main Reason You Do Not Believe That The Witnesses Are The Best Religion?

by minimus in

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friends

some people leave because they are fed up with the elders.

others have personality issues.

some have doctrinal and prophecy reasons.

Indian Larry

Jesus said that there would be those that say he is in the inner chamber etc. and not to follow them.

In other words Jesus warned us about people that would say he is here invisibly and directly told us not to follow them. That is exactly what the WTBTS does.

In 1919 they were saying he invisibly arrived in 1874. That goes agains the scripture in Matthew re inner chamber etc. There is no possible way he could have "chosen" them in 1919.

The FDS are SELF APPOINTED and it is that simple. Period. No need to get into 607, 1914 and all that crap. In 1919 when they claim Christ chose them they were doing exaclty what he warned against. They are liars and false prophets. Steer clear. That's pretty simple to me.

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Who would consider using religion as a money making scam?

by punkofnice in

some years ago a mate of mine said: 'paul, with your knowledge of the bible and my knowledge of philosophy, why don't we start a religion and make some money?'.

he was only joking.....taking the pi$$ out of me being a jdub.. i wonder how easy it is!.

Indian Larry

Who would consider using religion as a money making scam?

Joseph Rutherford. That's who.

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I Think My Marriage Is Over...

by cognac in

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friends

i know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .

Indian Larry

Even better that she is a JW. Get the evidence. Put it in front of both of them and tell them to break it off or you are going to the elders. Period. You may think you are in a bad position because he considers you "apostate", but that is irrelevant to this situation. A previous poster quoted the scripture I believe in 1 Corinthians that applies. He does not have a scriptural leg to stand on as far as leaving you. You on the other hand have his marrage vows and his children. The other little chicky needs to get lost.

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I Think My Marriage Is Over...

by cognac in

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friends

i know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .

Indian Larry

If you have problems loading a keystroke logger or other spy software find a local business that can do it for you. You can remotely follow his texting history, all online chats, sites visited, (eg. is he going to a lawyer) and so on. It is VERY VERY valuable to know these things, I can not stress that enough. Don't feel that you are spying on him, just look at it like you are doing what you need to protect your marriage and family from this other girl. You are also doing this to protect the future of your children should it come down to child support.

In this case it is good for you that he is a JW. The threat of DF'ing is a very strong one. Yes, he may think he can take it for a short while, but maybe he will realize that it could be a long time if you have evidence that what he is doing is planned. Also, as a witness he is still responcible for taking care of his family financially.

I could be way off base here but I am going to guess he does not make too much money. I guess that because as a witness he likey does not have a degree. Another reason I say that is since your children are so young I have to assume that he is not older than 35, if that is the case and he is dumb enough to use an iPod he is sharing with his wife to contact another girl he is probably flipping burgers.

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I Think My Marriage Is Over...

by cognac in

jw
friends

i know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .

Indian Larry

Sorry to say this about your husband but it sounds like he is not too bright, especially when it comes to technology. I agree that you should not let him know what you are aware of. Do however start collecting all evidence you can find. Go to a free service like DropBox and get your own cloud drive. Whenever you see any incrimnating evidence take a screen shot with your ipod and upload the photo to your own private (password protected) drive online. That way if he walks out and takes the iPod you will still have the evidence. If you have a laptop at home be SURE to set up a keystroke logger (mobistealth.com) that way you can monitor all his communication and what sites he is on etc.

Keep all of this to yourself. I have a friend who got too emotional over his divorce and it cost him literally over $300,000. It is an emotional thing to break up, there is no question of that, and my heart goes out to you. However, you are going to need money to help raise your babies. If it comes down to that your attorney will be able to use any evidence you gather before splitting to your advantage. Also, you can share it with the brothers in the hall. If the other girl is a witness you can hang her out to dry as well. Stress to the elders that while you may not agree with everything the WTBTS says you do fully repect the sanctity of God's provision of marriage. Try to keep your emotions under cover so to speak and get the goods on him first.

Whether you stay together or not the best place to be is in a position where you have as much power as possible. I wish you good luck.